Interesting Astrodienst Forum links
Everything about astrological research
- Ray Murphy: This thread has been started so that anything
related to astrological research can mentioned, and I suggest that
challenging and questions should be very welcome if we are to make
some headway. Where will we start?
(case study, anecdotal information)
Partridge: Astrological indicators of attention
deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and attention deficit disorder
a chart candidate Fred Polak
- Thank you Ganglion for the new test with excellent list of
In the ADB you add his illness on July 1953, but this important
event is not in the list.
a chart candidate Eelco Van Kleffens
- For those interested in rectifying charts, this could be a
This time we have no end day and no official contest. Just propose
the time you need.
I propose one month reflection/discussion on which planets should be
found on the cusps, in which houses and why.
a chart candidate Henri Winkelmann
- on: 15.09.2016 at 00:00 [UT+1] Winkelman, Henri
Quote: Commander-in-chief of the Armed forces of the Netherlands
during the German invasion of the Netherlands.
The Astrodienst biography given concentrates on for astrologers
relevant information not given in the Wikipedia. More could be
added. Important changes will be recorded in this thread.
@Richard Starkman: The BC time of 4h30 AM differs only 10 minutes
from your proposed time.
So congratulations again.
- Hello Everybody, my name is Ian Murphy. I'm fairly new here but
i've been experimenting & reading up on astrology since 2018.
More recently, I've been trying to figure out how to go about
rectification. If anyone has any suggestions for me I'm all ears.
I kept seeing Isaac Starkman's Rectifications on Astro Databank &
decided to test them out using Johndro's system. Remarkably,
Starkman seems to have hit the nose nearly every time i generated
paragraphs. However, the stuff to run his app "Polaris"
keeps crashing on me. Anyone who is curious just download virtualbox
6.1.18 along with windows xp iso, transfer the files into the
virtualbox & then it should run.
I wanted to see other options out there & came across Hank
Friedman's ultimate guide when it comes to astro software. He did
not have polaris listed on his website from what i could tell so i
"Unless you are a Vedic astrologer who uses Varga charts to
rectify the birth time, there is no software that really makes a
difference, I've tested them all & they're worthless - Hank"
When asked about special techniques, he told me that western
rectifications were the most challenging & took many hours per
chart as opposed to vedic which is simple & takes minutes.
real Aquarian (case study, anecdotal information)
- Ray Murphy: Many years ago I was on a sub-committee that
was organizing an end of year astrology party (which included
entertainment) and it all went remarkably smoothly. Finally when all
the plans had been put in place we sat back congratulating
ourselves, I said to one of the other astrologers "Hasn't this
been an amazing experience -- all of us working together so well
without anyone actually leading us?"
She snapped back with a knowing smirk "Whaddya mean - No one
leading - I was put in charge of leading the group, but my Triple
Aquarius made me keep the groups ideas in mind first, instead of
just my own!"
words with chart factors (just another approach to prove the
truth of mime's)
- Ray Murphy:
Hi All, I will be writing a trial program that aims to show
astrological factors based on the frequent use of various words when
large amounts of general conversation or books etc are processed.
research tool now released (Just look and find as any fool could
expect. No mention of the usual standard error found in adbstats)
The new Astrodatabank research tool has now been released for
general use, after a few months of testing. It allows selection of
Astrodatabank data by numerous astrological criteria with many
combinations. Subscribers of the service 'extended data storage' can
also search their own database with the same search patterns:
as divination (See also Geoffrey Cornelius: The Moment of
Astrology. Origins in Divination)
After years of trying to get my head around the question of why
astrology works (if it does) I have been edging towards the answer
as divination. What do you think?
Waybread inspired me to write Statistiek
en astrologie volgens Dane Rudhyar (Dutch).
is mijn kritische commentaar op een veelvuldig door astrologen
aangehaald artikel: Statistical Astrology and Individuality.
Maar waar ging het Rudhyar nu eigenlijk om: Kwaliteit op maat
verkiezen boven kwantiteit, zoals hij suggereerde?
- Mr. Chair:
How could astrology be important for society at this time or in the
future? Do any of you believe that your astrological work is
ultimately for the benefit of society, whether through small or
large contributions? Are there ways that people think astrology
could be applied beneficially if it's usefulness were demonstrated
to people in control (I'm using the term "people in control"
vaguely)? How has astrology been beneficial so far? How does this
contrast with how it is most often used?
- SandraCapi: Hi. This a beginner's question. I read
astrology books and articles where the author states, if the owner
of the astrologer chart has this aspect, this is likely to be true.
How have astrology statements been tested, or researched or proven?
For example a person with sun in aries is said to be more impulsive
than other signs. Has that ever been tested? I am sure it would be
hard to isolate chart factors for testing. Please do not give a
history lesson here. How is current astrology research done? And how
is past astrology proven? Where can I find this research?
salyangozun sol anteni (Dutch:
slak's linker antenne): Have you ever visited the links
: Art Critic / Adb
(See also: Data
mining and The
- xor___: Hello, I've
studied distribution of birth dates in connection with a lifetime
using birth and death records and found there is a higher risk of
premature death exist for people born in certain seasons of an year
- for each geographiocal area correspond different season. Also I've
found a higher rate of both exaltation and detriment of Venus
according to the Human Design System in serial killer-rapists
charts. My code repository: https://github.com/nadezhdin-ivan/shdt
. Please use personal message if you need any additional info. Thank
Ray Murphy: I've just had a look at the serial killers (more
than one murder) and was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing.
've just had a look at the serial killers (more than one murder) and
was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing. I found it a bit slow
converting the file into an astrology research file (CSV format)
because the number of tab-delimited fields in your data varies.
I noticed that there are more Suns in tropical Leo + Aquarius, but
not enough to be impressive.
I also looked at aspects and found these:
(1) SUN con MOO < 10 degs =26% above the theoretical mean
(2) MOO con URA < 6 degs = 35% above the theoretical mean
These two things look very interesting indeed.
- Deborah Houlding: Why is the Al Biruni page biography so
bad? For all his wonderful achievements, all it says on him is:
"Arabic mathematician, historian, astronomer and astrologer. He
was notorious as a gross sensualist, infamous for excesses in food,
drink and sex. Died 12/13/1048 OS, Ghazni, Afghanistan."
Then gives link to WP which talks all about his achievements as an
astrologer and astronomer.
It is not often I think WP does a better job of detailing
astro-biographies than astrologers do, but this page on astro.com
must seem hugely offensive for those who live in the areas where
they celebrate his life and scientific achievements. This stuff
about him being some kind of sexual pervert - where is that coming
I thought I would report as I wondered whether this page had been
wired differently (Yes, all individual brains are wired
differently of course. So what? Have you ever studied Brain's
anatomy, before you claim to pretend to understand the individual
exceptions? Only fools can do claims like this).
- Ray Murphy: This is a serious question, and it may even be
saying something about me to be asking it, but have other posters
noticed that besides the expected differences between people due to
chart factors and environment, that some people have difficulty in
accepting or even comprehending a FEW standard thought patterns or
I had never noticed it until several years ago, and then I
encountered several people like it.
Three Little Birds: Do you have an example? I think I
understand your question but I'd rather be sure.
Leo become Taurus if he wishes to ?
Zie ook Radix5
versus Sirius. Sein oder Sollen?
- Please show a
little respect for the sun. The orb = 15 degrees. The SUN sign .
do we resolve astrological sectarianism?
- Nader Abed:
When I got deep into astrology it became very apparent that many
have splintered off to whatever it was they were doing saying stuff
like 'astrology can/cannot do x or y' to meanings over the outer
planets and asteroids, to whatever house system was best, to
tropical vs sidereal accuracy, to whether hellenistic astrology was
outdated, etc. I have been wondering if astrologically, all of this
sectarianism can be resolved.
Goede vraag. Ik denk nooit. Alleen een gek als Putin die met de
atoombom knoppen speelt denkt het in zijn hand te hebben. Maar een
enkele kogel of iets in de thee is al genoeg om die gek te doden.
Zoals hij ook aldoor met zijn vermeende opponenten afrekende.
Bias - does it undermineastrology?
- Apostrophe: I have been through quite a dramatic shift in
my worldview in the past few years, vaguely summarized by a
questioning of faith based belief systems like religion and
astrology and a greater reliance on critical thinking and science.
Lee Rutland: Well, unfortunately, confirmation bias is used
in every field, from history, to the Theory of Evolution, to global
warming. There is no escaping it.
Lee Rutland maakt hier ogenschijnlijk een punt. Het is een pot nat.
Want ook in iedere wetenschap kan bias een rol spelen. Daarom doen
normale wetenschappers hun best om bias te voorkomen. En bespreken ze
ook publiekelijk de tekortkomingen (flaws) van hun empirisch
Het werkelijke probleem hier is dat Astrology niet aan die
wetenschappelijke regels voldoet. En dus bestaat ze niet.
De astrologen die Astrology als een real science propageren,
gedragen zich namelijk eerder als een beter wetend Ego dan als zijn
Inner Observer. Ze gaan bij hun speculaties over de wereld teveel van
hun toevallig aangeleerde boekenkennis en tradities uit dan van de al
bestaande empirische kennis.
prediction in astrology
- Forum Admin: Chart deleted by moderator, rule violation.
Forum Admin: Be sure that we would not permit the planning of
war, murder or suicide on the forum. Not everything needs to be
written in the rules, we can make them up as situations come along.
We also expect some common sense in this community. As can be seen
in many responses, it is in fact there. We have nothing against
astrologers doing predicions of any kind in their private office,
sitting face to face with their clients whom they have known over a
long time, and who are paying them. There, they may predict illness
and death as much as their client is willing to take. What an
astrologers does in his practice is within his domain of
responsibility. What is clear to me is that astrologers who play the
game of death prediction are not in it "to help their clients".
They are in it because they feel it gives them tremendous power.
This power game has been played by some astrologers since
millennia. Just do not play it on our forum.
Waybread: Horary astrology operates differently, but if
anyone here has mastered its methods sufficiently to confidently
assert the snuff-out date for another human being, they can do this
in some other venue. (Really? What is the evidence?)
Are you "low" in a given element in your chart-- or do you
care about someone in this situation? How does it manifest? (Asking
for the confirmation bias)
U kunt over deze vraag in een individueel geval eindeloos speculeren,
maar uiteindelijk gaat het om de gevonden feiten in groepen. En dan
is de meest voor de hand liggende onderzoeksvraag: Zijn bepaalde ADB
categorieën astrologisch gezien gebrekkig in iets? Maar als we
in die groepen niets bijzonders zien, dan valt de logica en
aannemelijkheid van uw astrologische hypothese wel uit elkaar.
and astrology- share your thoughts
I took an Enneagram
Personality Test and came up as a Type 4 (The Romantic/Artist)
with Type 2 (The Helper) being the next highest result--all others
were so low that they did not even count. Since Enneagram testing
takes one's Sun Sign into account, how accurate is this field of
study in fleshing out one's personal understanding of the self?
- guessing game
- Hi everyone!
Many years ago we used to do mystery exercises or guessing games. It
was a great and fun way to practice, to test your skills, and to
It worked like this: someone would post a chart providing a few
options; all of them were false except for just one. Other forum
members guessed which option was the right one, based on
astrological reasoning. The winner had the privilege to post the
next mystery chart and so on.
We usually gave a whole week for each exercise before providing the
right answer to the forum members. A week was more than enough time
for everyone to check the chart and think about their answer.
So, here is the first one. I'll be posting the right answer next
Wednesday, June 3rd, 2020.
Only one answer is correct.
This is the chart of a man who is a:
1. Perfumist setenced to jail for poisoning his only child.
2. Priest and teacher secretly tormented by his latent homosexuality
3. Jewelry seller and scammer with a serious drinking problem.
4. Local news reporter killed in an explosion while covering a
Which answer do you think is the right one and why?
all astrology valid?
- Ed Falis Member Posts: 592 Gender: male
« Reply #5 - on: 27.11.2020 at 22:22 [UT] »
I think of astrology as being most closely analogous to math and its
Both are formal symbolic systems with methods for manipulating their
symbols. Those rules, which ultimately are based on assumptions, are
applied to various fields (eg medical astrology, etc). The astrology
case of doing that is broadly similar to applied math for science
and engineering (and less formal use).
In both cases, all levels are subject to learning through
experience, and development over time. Fundamental math and science
have better developed methodology (the study of methods) than
astrology does. But they are still subject to these constraints.
Both have applications that can be better or worse developed. Both
can have more or less rigorous methods for assessing "logical"
consistency, and for assessing accuracy and precision of their
representations and their use.
So it's only natural that like math and its application, astrology
has fields where the state of knowledge is more or less developed
and valid vs bunkum.
I find the above a useful and practical way of thinking about
astrology and its nature. The "royal sciences".
- When checking my chart for a possible correlation with a
long-ongoing skin complaint (yeah-yeah, s.p. EmMN-Asc.!), I added
the quintiles and bi-quintiles aspects.
To my surprise, it showed a triangle between Moon-Jupiter-Uranus
....2 Bi-quintiles to a quintile base.
of ADB data for research
did you learn astrology?
do you check your conclusions?
is astrology research done by the researchers?
astrology didn't exist, how could we start?
Astrology - Martin Schulman
you think Black Holes have influence?
and astrology of personality
survey: Is astrology "scientific"?
Distributions Of 219 Psychologists' Charts
categorizing ideas wanted for research
advances in scientific astrology
a chart - a challenge
a chart candidate Jetty Cantor
- Ganglion: The
next candidate is a Dutch Jewish violinist and cabaret maker, who
survived the Holocaust thanks to her playing music for time.
a chart candidate Tjalling Koopmans
- Anyone using Jigsaw or Astrodatabank?
- Finding provable categories
- Gauquelin 1472 Painters
- Suicide - Sun-Sun
Testing of Astrology
- Research and discussssion
Consciousness, the Path of Destiny :
Hemisphere astrology - burning question
Huber Approach to Astrology
vedic or sidereal western astrology
lots of marriage date data :
Astrology Add-Ons in the last 150 years
does the chart NOT show?
- Alois: It
does not show your intelligence, your wealth, your weight or height,
your education, your health, the colour of your skin, whether you
are a Saint, a Nazi, a Communist, a Trumpist or a normal person, and
many other concrete things.
Can Overpower Pluto ?
The slow planet Pluto certainly deals with long-standing planetary
(becoming unconscious cosmic) influences. Slow changes that easily
could trap you. Slow influences/changes could become unnoticed
Frog Experiment :: What do you think is the frog's fate? Watch more.
houses vs other house systems
- Have you folks ever thought about using your intuition, or
"soul's voice", or such, your internal guidance.... have
you considered asking from that direction, what the planets and
signs mean, what is their "color of influence" if you
will, on us?
a chart candidate Arvo Pärt
- This time I have no BC and /or family related data, so there is
no contest. But he was one of what a Sufi would name, being reborn
after ten years of silence, an awakened person. Not trying to
achieve things, but receiving It / the Divine.
The ADB could be a source of "Aufklärung" and
"Verklärung" if we added more historical data to it,
instead of being happy with a supposed to be unique birth time. The
BC is just the beginning of divine things happening in time.
Pärt: Da Pacem (full album)
- This masterpiece was composed by Arvo Pärt to pay tribute
to all the victims of the MADRID trains bombings (11th March 2004).
193 were killed and more than 2000 were injured.
REST IN PEACE. ??
A perfect symbiosis of form, movement and music. Wonderful.